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Subject: Re[3]: Client32 and NW311 and NFT-errors
Author: Ron Herardian at GSS
Date: 06-05-96 01:32
Jan,
Since you have NFT errors from varying sources, it sounds like you
may have some underlying system design or network issues. Note that
once an actual corruption has occurred, every cc:Mail Router, client,
and gateway may report and "NFT error reading." This is
because there is a bad CRC in the database, perhaps it's just the
CRC, perhaps there is a real corruption.
If there is a real corruption, it may be trivial or very serious depending
on where in the post office the corruption is. With some minor corruptions,
you could run CHKSTAT with the "NFT/C" parameter and bring
the PO back on line immediately. This is never recommended. You wouldn't
know the nature of the problem unless you ran ANALYZE. Of course,
most minor problems are corrected by CHKSTAT with the "DIAGNOSTICS/R"
parameter. Remember that CHKSTAT with the "NFT/C" parameter
does NOT fix anything -- it merely recalculates the CRCs whether there
is a real corruption or not.
If you see many entries for "NFT Error reading" from the
same file and offset (CLANDATA sector 0, for example), then you already
have a corruption or at least a bad CRC. In the log, go back before
these redundant errors began. Find the last error before the stream
of "NFT Error reading" entries. Often, you'll find an error
writing or verifying that kicks off the stream of NFT Errors reading.
To analyze NFT errors more carefully, determine the location of the
machines producing the errors on a detailed network diagram. Check
if they are on the same segment, sharing a common hub, routed through
a common router, crossing a common backbone, etc.. For the cc:Mail
Router that keeps appearing in the log, check if it's coming in over
your WAN. This is a common system design error: mapping network drives
over a WAN and using Type I Router connections rather than Type II
connections.
You say that you don't have a traffic problem because users are on
a 20-user 16Mbps Token Ring. I want to ask, where is the server and
what is the route to it in your physical LAN? Is the server across
a WAN from the users? Is it on the other side of an overloaded Router?
Is traffic from your WAN traversing the seemingly quiet 20-user Ring?
Perhaps there are 700 SAP broadcasts from connected networks every
60 seconds. The only way you can know is by measuring and monitoring
traffic and network errors on each segment or Ring from the problem
users to the server.
I am also wondering what version of cc:Mail for Windows you have.
If you are getting significant numbers of users reporting GPFs, you
need to look for a pattern in the error: a certian time of day; a
specific server; a specific area of the network.
I have found that there are sometimes serious traffic problems or
extremely high server utilization when large numbers of users are
reporting NFT and Mail Engine errors. I see widespread GPFs almost
never, at least not with recent versions of the cc:Mail for Windows.
Do you have a standard workstation configuration? What is it? The
GPFs may be unrelated to the NFT errors in which case we should be
looking at the Windows workstations. How are the Windows resources
(GDI, USER, and system memory)?
I commonly find a series of related but not obvious system design
problems where there is a laundry list of errors. In your case the
list is NFT errors, cc:Mail for Windows GPFs, and actual post office
corruptions. I think you should first do more to isolate the problems
you are seeing and second review your system design and deployment
of cc:Mail.
Ron
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Subject: Re[2]: Client32 and NW311 and NFT-errors
Author: janneb@jbdata.se at INTERNET_ROUTER
Date: 06-05-96 00:44
Ron,
For every time the PO has been shut down I've looked in NFTERROR.LOG.
The first row indicates that one of the WIN95-users (actually the
only one logged on) gets a NFT Error. No warning, an error directly.
In row two there's an error from VIM 2.07 (which I guess is LFS).
From row 3 and some 10000's row down is the routers who constantly
retries the PO. The Win3.1-users are using WNOTIFY, which doesn't
behave too nicely when a NFT Error is produced (GPF), so there is
no indication of their problems in NFTERROR.LOG. I'm very much sure
that this is directly caused by the Win95 Installation. I haven't
had one single NFT-error (OK, some warnings now and then) for three
years but this started to happen the first day after the Win95 Installation.
The only oddity in this LAN is that the PO is on a 3.11-server with
PBURST loaded. A look in the LAN Statistics shows some PBURST Errors
and for now I've turned PBURST off and hopefully the PO will live
over the day. Saturation of the network isn't probable since this
PO is on a T/R 16 Mb with approx 20 active users a ring.
Jan
BTW, there were 2 shutdown yesterday.
Subject: Re: Client32 and NW311 and NFT-errors
Author: rherardi@GSSNET.COM at Internet-JB
Date: 1996-06-04 19.58
Jan,
This is where a close look at the NFTERROR.LOG would be useful. You
need to know where the errors are coming from (what users or machines)
and what type of error it is. The Client32 problem commonly results
in errors reading CLANDATA with small number of attempts but there
is not necessarily an actual corruption of the database.
To cause NFT errors in the database there must be errors writing or
verifying. These are a serious problem usually caused by faulty network
or server hardware or related to other network problems such as saturation
of the network or extremely high server utilization. Where there are
system design problems, the cc:Mail system may be vulnerable to WAN
issues as well, such as network routing problems.
In your note, there no evidence is cited indicating that the Client32
workstations are the cause of the NFT errors. Yiou should follow the
usual procedure for troubleshooting NFT errors.
Ron
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Subject: Client32 and NW311 and NFT-errors
Author: "cc:Mail Interest Group" <CCMAIL-L@LISTSERV.OKSTATE.EDU>
at INTERNET
Date: 06-04-96 07:25
Hi,
I have a problem with a PO hosted on a NW3.11-server. The server is
using lslenh and the latest (LANDRV5) Landrivers. Two of the users
are using Win95 with the patched Client32 and Opportunistic Locking
and Pburst turned off. Five times since last Friday has the PO went
down because of NFT-errors. Chkstat has been able to fix it with /NFT/C.
My question is: Could the problems be caused by some incompatibilities
between Client32 and NW3.11? Has anyone of you, any experience in
this?
Thanks for any tips
Jan Bojeryd
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